Found this article on the internet this morning and thought it was interesting....which is the reason I am posting it here. Got nothing to do with racism, so please don't go there. I personally do not consider Barrack Obama as African American. So anyway, here is the article published in the Baltimore Sun.
Many people know that Democratic presidential candidate Barrack Obama's father was from Kenya and his mother from Kansas. But an intriguing sliver of his family history has received almost no attention until now: It appears that forebears of his white mother owned slaves, according to genealogical research and census records.
The records - which had never been addressed publicly by the Illinois senator or his relatives - were first noted in an ancestry report compiled by William Addams Reitwiesner, who works at the Library of Congress and practices genealogy in his spare time. The report, on Reitwiesner's Web site, carries a disclaimer that it is a "first draft" - one likely to be examined more closely if Obama is nominated.
According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.
The Sun retraced much of Reitwiesner's work, using census information available on the Web site ancestry.com and documents retrieved by the Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives, among other sources. The records show that Overall, then 30, owned a 15-year-old black female and a 25-year-old black male, while Mary Duvall, his mother-in-law, owned a 60-year-old black man and a 58-year-old black woman. (Slaves are listed in the 1850 census by owner, age, "sex," and "colour," not by name.)
An Obama spokesman did not dispute the information and said that the senator's ancestors "are representative of America."
"While a relative owned slaves, another fought for the Union in the Civil War," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said last night. "And it is a true measure of progress that the descendant of a slave owner would come to marry a student from Kenya and produce a son who would grow up to be a candidate for president of the United States."
The research traces the Duvalls to Mareen Duvall, a major land owner in Anne Arundel County in the 1600s. The inventory of his estate in 1694 names 18 slaves, according to a family history published in 1952. The records could add a new dimension to questions by some who have asked whether Obama - who was raised in East Asia and Hawaii and educated at Columbia and Harvard - is attuned to the struggles of American blacks descended from West African slaves.
"The twist is very interesting," said Ronald Walters, a political scientist who is director of the African-American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland, College Park. "It deepens his connection with the experience of slavery, even if it deepens it on a different side of the equation."
Gary Boyd Roberts, a senior research scholar at the New England Historic Genealogical Society who published a book on the family lineage of presidents, said he did not think the slave-holding history was "particularly unusual." "If you have a white Southern mother, or a mother from the middle states who has ancestry in the South, it doesn't strike me that that should be very surprising," he said. While the majority of such families did not own slaves, many with some wealth did, Roberts said.
Reitwiesner's research identifies two other presidential candidates, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Democratic Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, as descendants of slave owners. Three of McCain's great-great-grandfathers in Mississippi owned slaves, including one who owned 52 in 1860. Two ancestors of Edwards owned one slave each in Georgia in 1860.
It was unclear last night whether Obama was aware of any slave-holding ancestors, but he makes no mention of them in his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. The book contains many approving references to his mother's side of the family. At one point, he writes that his mother "could give voice to the virtues of her midwestern past and offer them up in distilled form." The memoir, however, comes close to confirming the Overall-Duvall lineage - stopping a generation short. Census and other records complete the gaps.
In a reference to his American ancestry, Obama writes "while one of my great-great-grandfathers, Christopher Columbus Clark, had been a decorated Union soldier, his wife's mother was rumored to have been a second cousin of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy."
Clark was actually Obama's great-great-great-grandfather, according to Reitwiesner's research and census data available at ancestry.com. A 1930 census document lists Clark, 84, living in the same El Dorado City, Kan., household as a 12-year-old great-grandson, Stanley A. Dunham. Dunham was Obama's grandfather. Clark's wife, Susan, was the daughter of George Washington Overall, the latest known family slave owner.
Reitwiesner, the researcher, declined to be interviewed for this article. "I'll let my Web page (wargs.com) speak for itself," he said in an e-mail. The Obama report contains a disclaimer that appears on all of Reitwiesner's work: "The following material ... should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft." Genealogical experts who reviewed the Obama family tree at the request of The Sun would not vouch for its findings.
Most of the historical entries lack citations of authenticating source material, such as birth and death certificates or marriage licenses, said Barbara Vines Little, past president of the National Genealogical Society in Virginia, adding that "he has nothing here that I can see that would allow you to make any logical link."
"You just can't casually throw some documents together and make a sophisticated analysis," said Tony Burroughs, author of Black Roots: A Beginners Guide to Tracing the African American Family Tree and a consultant on a project by the New York Daily News that found that relatives of former Sen. Strom Thurmond appear to have owned the ancestors of civil rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton. But Roberts, the New England scholar, collaborated with Reitwiesner on a 1984 book about the American roots of Princess Diana, and calls him "exceptionally bright" and "quite a good researcher."
The online Obama family tree, Roberts said, is the work of "an informal team of genealogists" who specialize in Internet-based research and post their findings to test their validity. "When you are gathering up things from the Internet, you can get fantastical - by that I mean wild and unbelievable - connections," Roberts said. "Many of them will fall; only a few of them will hold up. But some absolutely extraordinary things do hold up."
Assisting in the Obama research was Christopher Challender Child, a genealogist at the New England Historic Genealogical Society, who said that Reitwiesner culled fragments from a variety of sources. "There's a limit to what you can verify without a lot of money," Child said. "But from what I see, the line looks pretty good." For some, the records may underscore Obama's unique racial heritage as a presidential candidate.
Author and essayist Debra J. Dickerson wrote in a January salon.com article that she had previously refrained from opining about the senator because "I didn't have the heart (or the stomach) to point out the obvious: Obama isn't black."
" 'Black,' in our political and social reality, means those descended from West African slaves," Dickerson said.
Walters, who was deputy campaign manager for Jesse Jackson in 1984 and the author of Black Presidential Politics in America, agreed that questions raised by Dickerson and others "is an important debate."
"What people are really asking is, 'Can I trust this guy? Do I have confidence in this guy? Does he understand my situation, and therefore [is he] able to take my issues into the political system?'" Walters said.
what does that have to do with anything? our distant ancestors were slave owners. and did you know that dick cheney is a distant cousin of obama? that would scare me if i were obama
Doesn't have to do with anything in particular...I just thought it was interesting. When you are a child of mixed races , you automatically get the "baggage" from both sides. It's just something I never really though of before actually, so that was the reason I found it interesting.
As for Osama...Obama...(the names are so much alike) personally, he scares the crap outta me.
Thank you...I think that was a very impt article and I am sorry it wasn't more widely circulated.
Aren't we all african american, no matter the color of our skin because if you trace back, we all came from africa. (and not all of us have distant relatives who were slave owners, america is the land of the immigrant...but that is another story)
and not all of us have distant relatives who were slave owners, america is the land of the immigrant...but that is another story)
My relatives came over from England and Ireland, went through Ellis Island and made there way to Mississippi to begin their new lives. For the most part they were poor dirt farmers, never owned much of anything, especially slaves. I don't think the color of anyone's skin should have a place in the election campaign process....and I don't care for a candidate playing the race card. Personally,I don't much care for Barrack Obama...mainly because his name sounds like that of a terrorist, and he's trying to hard to be "American", which, if you were raised in this country and truly loved it, then you shouldn't have to try at all. To him, it just doesn't seem to come natural. I watch him on TV and various events and there is just something "off" in his speeches, like his sincerity isn't quite there. Frankly, the idea of him becoming this nation's next leader scares the hell out of me.
My relatives came from Poland and Russia through Ellis Island and were dirt poor as well. We stayed in NY and I believe the only relatives not killed in the Holocaust were those here in the States. Slavery was far from our minds. As very progressive, we believed (and still do) in equality. I agree with you...Barack shouldn't have to play the race card but neither should Hillary have to play the gender card. He scares me too, and so does McCain. I think we are in for a frightening 4 years...but will it be worse then the past 8?
While the article is interesting, I am not clear what this info has to do with his ability to be a good president and leader. The article also mentioned McCain's ancestors having had slaves as well. Our first president George Washington also had slaves. That was unfortunately, the culture at the time. People had slaves when it was legal to do so. If it were legal now, people would have slaves.
" don't much care for Barrack Obama...mainly because his name sounds like that of a terrorist, and he's trying to hard to be "American?
This is very ethnocentric on your part, meaning, you are judging Sen. Obama based on his "name" because it "sounds" like a terrorist name??? That again has nothing to do with his character or ability to lead this country. "whats in a name...a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet..." W.S.
I do not undertand the skewed perception. He has always been on the level, his speeches sound very articulate and heart-felt. All I keep reading about is that people "fear" him....hmmmm?? Why??? What has he done to incite fear?? And, he was raised in this country, maybe he did not live here all of his life, but I think enough to be part of this culture. Maybe if he wasn't being judged based on his "name" or his race, it would not seem so much like an issue. And, how is he playing the race card? I think people are seeing what they want to see about him: classic halo/horn affect. You assume that he is "bad" or something is "off" without knowing him at all, and thus, nothing he does will ever be right to you.
First see what the man is about before you judge him, especially based on something so trival as his name. What in the world do you think he is going to do when he gets into office? hmmmm....do you think he is plotting some type of revenge....hmmm, I wonder why...
Why does he scare you so much? Do you think its your fear of terrorism that has been drilled into our heads since 9/11? Do you think its due to the horrible media images that always depict minorities as being a "threat"? Could it be a psychological? I mean, after all, no one seem to be able to put their finger on why the are so afraid of Sen. Obama, and that is very telling to me.
He has not shown himself to be a threat in anyway. So far, we haven't even gotten any data about him having a horrid past of any kind. And you can't judge him on what his forefather's may have done, no more than you can be judged for what yours may have done.
If there was a legitimate reason, I would be the first to say, we don't need him as our president. However, no one has been able to prove that he is not able to handle the job, or give a reason why he should not be president.
And, No first time president has experience being president (that notion about him being experienced cracks me up). That is why there are advisers to transition the new president into the role and give them a debriefing.
I think we should really take a hard look at ourselves and really think about what it is that "scare" people, especially without any proof that there is a reason to be afraid.
And, I still think he is a better alternative than McCain any day!
Well if you're black, born in America or else where in this world. It's most likely someone owned your grandparents back in the day. There is no getting around that, sadly enough. Obama I guess you can say now can be used as an example. His grandparents were once slave owners, but there is running for President. A multi racial man...go figure. As the saying goes, becareful what u do to people, you might need them some day. We never know how life is going to work out for us in the long run. The one that owns u, might one day have to work for u. hmm
Well I'm a african american woman and guess what that's how I got to be American my ancestors were slave owners to we are originated from africa sold to slaves rapped by our slave owners and there u go I called an african american so back in those days if u had a little black in u. You were consider black so don't try an take what Obama is made of and twist it He is and always will be african american. And just to let u know no one is pure we are all mixed. So those of u who don't like it thank your ancestors for rapping our ancestors. It is what it is.
Well I'm a african american woman and guess what that's how I got to be American my ancestors were slave owners to we are originated from africa sold to slaves rapped by our slave owners and there u go I called an african american so back in those days if u had a little black in u. You were consider black so don't try an take what Obama is made of and twist it He is and always will be african american. And just to let u know no one is pure we are all mixed. So those of u who don't like it thank your ancestors for rapping our ancestors. It is what it is.
Apparently, you forgot to read the very first paragraph, by me, before reading the article.
And one thing that still confuses me since our President was elected is how everyone forgets he is also white. His mother was white, his maternal grandparents were white. Why is only his blackness an issue? I don't understand it.
People who say "Yes!! We finally have a black President" and "finally, our time has come"...etc. are the ones keeping racism alive. The fact that Mr Obama avoided the race issue as much as possible during his campaign said volumes...he is neither all black, nor all white...He is an American....period. And I voted for him, because by the end of the campaign, I beleived he was the best man for the job...and since he took over office, I'm even more sure of it. I don't consider President Obama an african american...nor a caucasion american....just an american. Sorry if you have a problem with that, but I refuse to see the "colored" side of him, white or black.
Also, slavery is a part of America's history, all be it a shameful part, but that is what it is...history. And my ancestors did not rape your ancestors...sorry to disappoint you in your anger, but my relatives came over from another country as well, and were just poor dirt farmers trying to make a living off the land. I've traced my family heritage back to the late 1600's right before they came to America and found no proof of slave ownership. So, in your generalization of all "white" people, you have insulted me.
This is a lie and i can prove it. i have worked at the LOC for 15 yrs and i know that this is a lie. However, it is true of John Mccain ..Barak is an African american because under US law if u have 1/8 black blood that makes you a descendant of Africans. In Baraks case he has an African father whose genes are stronger thatn his mothers which is why he looks like an african american in color and demeanor..(he is no wimp). We also know that Baraks dad had 4 wives and that one (Baraks real bio mom) came to amerikkka with him gave birth to Barak before she died and he later married the white woman from Kansas who raised him. The trouble the adopted white mother had was that she refused to let go..Baraks father was a traditional muslim with 4 wives and she could not handle it..i believe she was suffering from JUNGLE FEVER..(lust for African men)
What is all this racist Ape negro slave owner nonesense. Obama is not to blame for what is long dead ancestors did. Africans sold other Africans to arabs and caucasians to use as slave labor property. That is a fact of life and now consigned to history.
If we can elect a complete imbecile who is controlled by others like a glove puppet to the white house then surely we can also elect an Ape? It shows the world just how democratic we are here in the states that imbeciles and apes can be elected to high office and not just rich, well connected folks.
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If Obama's ancestors owned slaves that is in no way an indictment against him.
There are PLENTY of things for which the President deserves to be criticized, but something his ancestors may or may not have done more than a hundred years ago isn't one of them.